STARTING this week the Zimbabwe Independent will be serialising articles written by MDC-T secretary-general and Finance minister Tendai Biti — who is a lawyer by profession — on the controversial constitution-making exercise, focusing on the process, content and output. Biti is publicly wading into the stormy debate at a time when battle lines around the issue are clearly drawn and preparations for elections next year are gathering momentum.
The debate around the new constitution has become bastardised and resultantly is now wallowing in mediocrity and ignorant adulteration. Incoherent narratives and non-germane issues have been brought to the forefront, clouding the substance around the constitution-making process, while generating untold public confusion and undermining serious debate on the content of the draft constitution.
In this regard, the hardline and chaotic faction of Zanu PF must take a fair share of blame and full responsibility for hijacking the constitution-making process in pursuit of power-crazy political and schismatic agendas at the expense of the nation. Zanu PF’s factionalism is partly responsible for disrupting this process.
A scorched earth policy is now being mercilessly pursued to fulfil party political and factional agendas. The “chaos faction” in Zanu PF now dominates the public media, in particular the columns of the Herald and Sunday Mail, while shallow and clueless “analysts” hold sway at ZBC TV and radio stations disseminating propaganda packaged as analyses.
The private press too, consciously or unconsciously, has worsened the situation by allowing itself to be sidetracked to sideshows like the issue of running mates which is not a fundamental in this constitution-making debate.
Great responsibility too must be taken by the academia and civic society who have remained mute in the debate, thus failing to articulate and examine even in the slightest terms the content of the draft constitution and what it means for Zimbabwe.
As a result, the majority of our people remain in the dark on issues at stake. At least in Matabeleland the people are clear on the issue of devolution and attempts by Zanu PF to annihilate this demand in its reactionary proposals are being fiercely resisted.
Most people having been watching Zanu PF shenanigans in the last three weeks and their endless day and night meetings, have come to the simple conclusion that if this party is rejecting the Copac draft when their signatures are on it then it means it must be supported by the majority. It is an unscientific way of decision-making, but one which in the black and white scenario of Zimbabwe works well.
But let’s highlight the key milestones of the Copac draft that was signed on July 18 2012. In doing this, let me underscore from the onset the fundamental point that the constitution of any country is primarily a contract between and among citizens on how they want to be governed. It thus represents the highest codification of the social contract.
In making this point, it should also be understood that like in any other contract, the bargaining positions of the contracting parties is a key consideration. In short, in addition to being a contract, it is also a power document representing at all material times, the dominant interests in the equation.
Modern constitutions negotiated under more democratic matrixes, thus, have a more liberal orientation reflecting the victories of the working people against power and abuse.
The whole history of modern constitutions starting with the Magna Carta, the American Declaration of Independence and the French Revolution are predicated on that. In general terms, constitutions are the outcomes of revolutionary protests against power and its abuse thereof. The same is true of the American constitution of 1787 as it is true of the Zimbabwean constitution of 1979 and the South African constitution of 1996.
Thus, if a constitution is a product of a struggle, the question that arises is, does it create a new legal and political order and does it represent a break from the past? In short, does it bring a new beginning?
There are six principles we must use to judge the Copac draft and should it pass this criteria then it must be an acceptable document. These principles include:
- Does it break with the past and establish a new order?
- Does it protect the people against imperial power?
- Does it establish and protect clear separation of powers and authority in state structures?
- Does it create independent institutions, particularly, those which are a bulwark against power and big government?
- Does it articulate the developmental aspirations of the people?
- Does it create mechanisms for state and generational succession and regeneration?
Breaking with the past and establishing a new order
The current Zimbabwe state is largely based on a culture of violence, corruption and political predation, which in any event form the nucleus of Zanu PF’s DNA. But the preamble to the Copac constitution makes very clear the need to create a new Zimbabwe underpinned by the values of democracy, rule of law, hard work and the supremacy of God.
More importantly, the Copac draft, in its founding provisions, seeks to create a new Zimbabwe founded on uncontestable principles that are a departure from the current autocracy and vicious cycles of predation.
The founding principles include the supremacy of the constitution above any individual organ or law; the rule of law; fundamental human rights and freedoms; gender equality; good governance; orderly transfer of power following elections and recognition of all languages as official languages of Zimbabwe.
More than anything else, the many new concepts and layers that this draft seeks to introduce such as devolution and independent commissions underscore a break from the past.
— To be continued next week.
We are not fools Mr Biti . we need clear definations not just headings.
Hurray,it’s great to hear Biti has decided to enter the debate on the flawed Copac Draft Constitution. Bring it on Biti.We have been waiting for this encounter for a very long time.We know that he will present a lot of irrelevant information like international best practices,references to any number of imperialist constitutions and of course the tired mantra concerning a multiplicy of illusions i.e human rights,rule of law,porperty rights,homosexuality and much more.Biti and the rest of the MDCs should ask black people in North,Central and South America including the caribbean as well as africans outside of Zimbabwe about these lofty Western platitudes and they will tell them that they always have had two meanings.One for the Westerner and one for the other.This is the reality of the black experience globally.Biti must be tied down to the amendments to the Zimbabwe Copac Draft constitution and nothing more.
Why should the MDCs agree to a draft which has the following provisions:-
(1)The State institutions and agencies of government at every level must accord due respect, honour and recognition to veterans of the liberation struggle against colonialism…
(2)The State must take reasonable measures, including legislative measures, for the welfare and economic empowerment of veterans…
These are ZanuPF war veterans, like Jabulani Sibanda, who have been causing mayhem up and down the country and stopping people voting freely for parties of their choice. Black rule came through a negotiated settlement by Muzorewa’s UANC – Muzorewa became prime minister. This was followed later by the Conference at Lancaster House and was not because of some “war veterans” who never as so much as storm a police outpost on the eastern border. Zanu was voted into power by the ordinary people who were the arbiters who removed Muzorewa from power. Only those people who cannot read can vote for this stupid draft. The above provisions are worse than a car owner [ordinary person] who gives someone [ZanuPF war veteran] a lift [vote] and has to pay that person money every month and the passenger forcefully takes the car away and every time the car owner has to pay to get a lift in his car which was forcefully taken away from him is now being driven by the passenger [war veteran]. It’s outrageous! The populace is being bullied.
Sender25, You seem like you have been abandoned by your biological mother and have fallen deep into a cesspool of self pity.Your self esteem has hit rock bottom.You are no longer thinking clearly.No wonder you have rejected the hands that free you.Why do you not want to recognise the veterans for their sacrifice to free the land from colonialism and why should they not be taken care of?Did you listen to the speeches at the recently concluded democratic convention in the US?.Well if you did,you will agree with me that the american war veterans have become one of the most if not the most protected group in america today.As Obama says the soldiers have defended our freedon in foreign wars and it is our responsibilty to assist them when they return home to treat them with dignity,provide jobs,homes,health care,financing to create their own buisnesses and much more to make their lives confortable and meaningfull.Why?.Because they defended the freedom of the american people from foreign enemies so they claim.For you and the rest of Zimbabweans,the same is true.Zimbabwean veterans should and must be helped in every way possible because they fought and died to give you that freedom.They must at all time be treated with dignity and given the respect they deserve.The sacrifices made by the liberators created a new Zimbabwe,a new reality from the ashes of a brutal settler colonialism.It is because of them that Zimbabwe is alive and breathing today.Why on earth would you not want this truth,this reality to be reflected in your constitution?.As you said in your opening piece why should the MDCs agree to a draft with the following provisions that recognises this contribution?.For the same reasons Obama gave.Now the way to defend that freedom that so many of your countrymen and women died for is to insist very strongly that the reality of your war of liberation must and have to be included in any new Zimbabwean constitution,Why?,to defend your hard won freedom,your sovereignty and independence for all time.
@Observer – You ask, “Why do you not want to recognise the veterans for their sacrifice to free the land from colonialism and why should they not be taken care of?” These are ZanuPF thugs you are calling war veterans who are causing mayhem in the country, denying the people the right to vote for parties of their own choice. Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to this land now called Zimbabwe. Without colonialism there would be no land to talk about. Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia, was created by the colonialists – it’s a British-construct. What you call the liberation war was just a frenetic struggle for political power between Zanu and Zapu from 1963 to 1987 which included Entumbane and Gukurahundi. You cannot compare American veterans and ZanuPF thugs. American veterans do not belong to one party they belong to the nation whereas Zimbabwe’s veterans belong to ZanuPF and are terrorising the people. There was no brutal settler colonialism – the only brutality we know is the Gukurahundi massacre where Zanu’s Fifth Brigade murdered over 40 000 unarmed blacks in their quest to incapacitate Zapu. Black rule was negotiated by Abel Muzorewa in 1979 it was not brought about by so-called war veterans who never won a single skirmish against the Rhodesians. American veterans are sent to battle by all Americans whereas ZanuPF veterans are ex-criminals who were fugitives from justice for non-political criminal offences like murder, rape, robbery, cannabis peddling, theft etc. – these were not sent by the citizens to fight on their behalf at all.
All Zimbabwe’s black nationalists were sponsored by the COLONIALISTS in their education. Mugabe Nkomo, Muzorewa, Ndabaningi Sithole, Herbert Chitepo, Josiah Chinamano, Enock Dumbuthsena, Leopold Takawira and all others became prominent because of the colonial education. You should ask yourself why Mugabe was chosen as leader not Maurice Nyagumbo? It was not because of his physique or his looks but because of COLONIAL education. He is lucky because the colonialists came when they did otherwise he would have been a mere tribesman. He stood out in the community because he could articulate in colonial English. If he had articulated in Zezuru nobody would have given him a second glance – in fact, people wold hve thought he was crazy – but if you articulate in colonial English people sit back and listen.
Writing nonsense – you are able to read and write because of colonialism you fool.
The mind of an unrepentant colonial settler racist exposed.It is imperative that the Zimbabwean people approve the amendments to the flawed Copac constitution to protect the Zimbabwean state and the long term national interest of the Zimbabwean people from the marauding racists and imperialists.I implore all Zimbabwean to read sender25 piece.It is an urgent call to action.He claims COLONIALISM was the best thing that ever happened to Zimbabwe and its people,he distorts its history by attempting to highlight the conflicts that have emerged among Zimabweans since independence which he and his racist cousins have instigated to maintain their dominant economic interest in Zimbabwe and he has insulted the heritage and the birthright of the Zimbabwean people.He must be told in no uncertain terms that the greatest holocaust has been inflicted on the Zimbabwean people and Aficans in general at the hands of the murderous marauding europeans racist colonialists,his kith and kin.It is now clearer that the liberation history and the revolutinary ethos of the people must be inserted into the constitution,the recognition of the land reform and the indigenization and enpowerment policies must also find a prominent place in the constitution to stop once and for all any further discussion about the legitimacy of ownership of all your land and resources and the enpowerment of your people.It is dishearting that the traitorous MDCs receive support and give aid and comfort to the enemies of the Zimbabwean people.It is the racist fundamental philosophical underpinning of MDCs especially from the MDC-T led by the quintessential puppet Morgan Tsvangarai that threatens Zimbabwe’s future.I implore you once again to read the above abomination and you will understand clearly what the racists want you to think and in so doing divert your attention from the real issues that thank God you have identified what is in your interest and are working relentlessly to make Zimbabwe a better life for you,your children and grandchildren.
@Observer – lying bastard – Gukurahundi was perpetrated by Zanu’s Fifth Brigade – no outsider instigated or was involved in this massacre which was carried out to incapacitate the real enemies Zapu. The original inhabitants of this land were the San or Khoisan not Shonas or Matebeles – incontrovertible evidence the rock paintings by the Bushm*n all around Zimbabwe. You are just colonialists as the whites you ignorant fool. How can you claim borderless land as yours? Who told you it was your land? It was the white colonialists who set out the borders which blacks would never have done in a month of Sundays. Blacks were far too primitive to be able to set out borders – this is unpalatable but that is fact.
Joshua Nkomo was appointed leader of ANC, then NDP, then PCC, then Zapu because he possessed a colonial education and together with Jasper Savanhu were the first black people to possess passports and the first to board an aeroplane and the first to go to the UK in 1952. Colonialism shaped black nationalist politics. How dare you say colonialism was brutal when black leaders accepted the white man’s sponsorship? Biting the hand(s) that fed them. Show me a black nationalist or black person who lived in the urban area who was not sponsored or employed by the colonialists and I will show you a liar. If colonialism was that bad why didn’t they refuse the colonialists’ sponsorship or be employed by the colonialists? What you low intellect blind followers don’t know is that to be leader of a black party the basic thing these proto-elites did was lambaste colonialism, that way you will never go wrong. They were following what Mahatma Gandhi did. It works. Blacks were a million miles better off in Rhodesia than in ZanuPF-ruled Zimbabwe. There’s 90 % unemployment now, and getting worse – Mugabe said so a few weeks ago. Brainwashed cretin.
chii chinonzi war vet?imhondi idzo.vakamanikidzwa here kunorwa hondo.dai vakatosiya smith achitonga it was so mch better pane zvavakanotirwira nhamo dzega dzega.ikozvino america yava nema president mangani akatonga,asi luk kubudirira kwayakaita then luk old man mudhara hw many yrs achitonga asi chabuda hapana kunze kwekushupika chete.mudhara industry akavharisa yose mikoto yaibva kurarama kwakanaka akavhara akatotsindira mwena yaibuda ishwa taparara isu mwari pindirai skuru vaende kunozorora tiwane kurarama
If your hard won freedom and independence earned at such a high price in blood and treasure lacks love and understanding among you,thanks and gratitude to the war veterans who forght and died to free you, your liberation history that defines you and your patriotism;your undying love for your country,then that freedom is not worthy of the respect of the Zimbabwean people.Sender25 piece has clearly shown his utter contempt and demonization of Zimbabwe’s war veterans by claiming that american war veterans belong to the the america and Zimbabwe,s belong to a party.The majority of black Zimbabweans disagree strongly with you.Zimbabweans honour their war veterans for liberating the whole country of Zimbabwe not a piece and all the people in the land of Zimbabwe from the white marauding racist colonial settlers and that is a fact.The fact that the struggle was spearheaded by ZanuPf is not a negation of ZanuPf in any way in the struggle waged in the quest for freedom.ZanuPf recognises the important role played by Zapu and others in the struggle.His racist attempt to villify the veterans and to distort the glorious victories won by the veterans stands out for all to see how the racist minds work.Your brazen attempt to divide and conquer even in matters of history of the people is rejected with scorn and has sent out an urgent clarion call for Zimbabweans to communicate the goals and ideals of the the people much more in your indigeneous languages in light of his racist boasting of the supremacy of the enlish language which we know carries the seeds of exploitation of human beings by another human beings and vanity.Sender25,your piece has only strenghten the resolve of all patriotic Zimbabweans.Zimbabwe will never be a colony again.
@Observer – Here’s is proof that colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa. ASK YOURSELF WHY S AFRICA IS RICHEST IN AFRICA AND WAS THE LAST TO GET BLACK RULE IN 1994.
If Africa was not economically wealthy before colonization then it is not fair to blame colonization for its current poverty. It is possible that colonization might then have made it more difficult for Africa to advance and this is the cause for the current lack of progress. If this was true than the most colonized African countries would be the poorest. This is not the case.
The least colonized country in Africa is Ethiopia. This country was only a colony from 1936 to 1941. That’s about as long as France was occupied by Hitler. This history of independence has not produced economic success. Ethiopia is one of the poorest countries in the world with a per capita income of $600. Even among African countries Ethiopia is poor. The one country whose culture is most similar to Ethiopia is Eritrea. The fact that these two countries hate each other does not disprove their similarity. Eritrea was a colony from 1890 to 1941. Eritrea’s per capita GNP is $1,000. Being more colonized than its neighbour did not make Eritrea poorer. The second least colonized country in Africa is Liberia which became independent in 1847 and it is now the worst country in Africa, maybe the world, and the World Bank does not even have an estimate as to its GNP.
The most ‘colonized’ black population in Africa has to be that of South Africa. Since blacks earned 43% of all income for 2000 and are 88% of the population and average income is $8,318 it is clear that blacks average $4,064 a year. This figure is 4 times higher than the average for Africa. It does not seem that being the most colonized has impoverished South African blacks. They are 6.6 times richer than the least colonized blacks on the continent.
Why do the heathen rage?Because anytime he ventures into discussions about colonialism and imperialism he knows that only his hands are dripping with blood.He always falls back on his old and tired lies that when his marauding ancestors and cousins were committing genocide,theft and plunder in African lands that african peoples were not living on the land when they first arrived forgetting that it is not his homeland,that he is an intruder and an alien.History is littered with this distortion:that africans never lived in Egypt,the peoples of South Africa never lived where they claimed to have lived,the tribes had no contact or communicated with each other and mixes up his treachery when it suits his purpose in the face of increasing difficulty to explain his deception.He recruits other tribes based on deceit extolling their virtues over other tribes in the hope of strenghtening his lies in order to dispel the notion that the land and resources belong to the all the African peoples in their own country except him.He will even go as far as he can to incite hatred and division among the African peoples along tribal lines if it means he can legitimise his bogus and illegal claims to support his theft.The biggest fear that the racists have in the region is the growing call among an increasing number of Africans across the continent to reclaim their land and resources from the racists and the imperialists for the benefit of their peoples.Resouce nationalism is gaining strength.Even more frightening is the call for the indigenization and enpowerment of all African economies.Such calls are right and just.It is not anti-white, it is about truth and justice.You cannot steal other peoples’ wealth and when you are caught with the stolen porperty in your hands,you are refusing to give it back by providing baseless and illegitimate defense for your theft.The heathen will rage while he still has a hold on his stolen possession until the Africans reclaim what rightfully belong to them. Then and only then, Sender52 will have no other alternative but to join the African familly and live as a true human being if he can make that almost insummountable leap spiritually and psycologically. You haven’t fooled any one and certainly not me.You are a white unrepentant racist unmasked.
@Observer – The rantings of a crass parvenu. When Fredrick Chiluba was sick he went to S Africa, when Bingu was sick he went to S Africa, when Mudenge was sick he went to S Africa, when Murerwa was sick he went to s Africa, when Prof Mukonoweshuro was sick he went to S Africa, when John Nkomo was sick he went to S Africa – the list is endless why? Because S Africa was the last to get black rule. The colonialists developed the infrastructure in S Africa to be the envy of all Africa. THAT IS THE RESULT OF COLONIALISM. Where would these Presidents and ministers go if the colonialists had not gone to S Africa? European capitals maybe where some still go like Meles Zenawi, Hosni Mubharak, Levi Mwanawasa and others. This is unpalatable but this is fact. S Africa was able to stage the last Football World Cup because the foundations had been laid by the colonialists over centuries. Can this be done in Zimbabwe or Mozambique? – no chance – these are now failed states run by mobs. You are just low level blind follower parroting tired nationalist garbage.
You are not only a white unrepentant racist,you are also a frustrated and a biiter racist rhodie who forght in Ian Smith colonial settler army and have committed unspeakable acts of agression against the African people during their war of liberation.You cannot accept the fact that you were defeated and chased from power and dominance over the lives of the Zimbabwean people.You are most likely living in South Africa,a land where freedom has not fully flowered for the majority of black South Africans but we all pray God that the day will come when the black people will finally be free from the clutches of racism and nazism.You cannot and will never be able to convince the Zimbabwean people that settler colonialism was or is good for their well being.There are no buyers for the filth you are proposing.Only a devil like you can sell that evil.You have become so use to living off the enslavement of black people that it pains you that you are no longer able to suck every ounce of blood out of their beaten down bodies.He is right on one thing though and that is Africans have to begin building hospitaIs and other long term care for their people and produce more doctors and scientists in all the fields of medicine and other sciences.Zimbabweans,I implore you to read what this white racist nazi imposter is spewing.It is imperative that you defeat the MDCs convincingly in the upcoming elections and shut down these racists voices and other like minded murderers,thieves and plunderers of African lands and resources forever because it is racist individuals like sender52 who have financially supported this treasonous party for the last ten years.The MDC-T in particular will accept blood money from anyone because they are bereft of any moral integrity.They are now trying to hoodwink the people into voting for them to usher in a government more in line with the racist views expressed by sender52.The above pieces from sender52 speak for themselves.Zimbabwe will never ever be a colony again.Never again.
@Observer – ignorant scum.
What is annoying no end is the fact that these ladies and gentlemen in the GNU spent upwards of USD45 million on this draft..and now this? Typical of what writer James Joyce calls “copulation without population”. Why should we sit on the sidelines and applaud this profligacy? Get both or all constitutions (including the Lancaster one-why not?) out there and let the people decide. It has taken too long as it is. After all we are told day in day out that it is the people’s views that make the constitution….let them decide. What is so hard about this?
The USD $45 million on the draft was well spent.It revealed who the MDC formations are and what committments they have made to the colonial racists and imperialists at the expense of the Zimbabwean people.With the eyes the MOST HIGH looking on,the amendments to the flawed Copac Draft were spawned.The amendments are clear,precise and unambiguous.They stand for all to see on their own merit.They even speak the unspeakable truth for themselves.That is why the money is well spent.No one and I mean no one can seriously argue against the merit of these amendments.They clearly protect the Zimbabwean State and the long term national interest of theZimbawean people pure and simple.Case closed.
Any new constitution, amended or not, is useless under the current climate. ZANU-PF totally ignore the rule of law anyway..
Get a new President and Parliament truly elected by the people, without ZANU interference and vote rigging, and you have a chance.
@Obverser: Shutup about your nonsense about MDC being colonial/imperialist sponsored… how dare you (and ZANU-PF) keep dragging that BS into your propaganda mix…. The MDC and it’s followers in Zimbabwe and abroad, follow that party and can think and vote for themselves purely because they need a change form the likes of you spouting propaganda BS, that was a lie from 1980.
There is NO FREEDOM UNDER ZANU-PF
@Jedster,Here comes another unrepentant racist nazi from his demonic world denouncing the light of the hard won freedom and independence of the Zimbabwean people as a lie from 1980 and he clearly establishes the incontrovertible link between the racist rhodies,the imperialists and the MDC-T led by Morgan Tsvangarai,Biti and the rest of the shameless sellouts of their own people.They represent an important part of the base of the MDC-T party and an important source of funding for the party since it was hurriedly created a little more than ten years ago to tell the same jedster lie and deception.It is clear he wants Zimbabweans to discard it’s history of resistance from 1890 to 1980,the dark ages,when the white british colonial sellers invaded and unleashed death,destruction,theft,cultural and physical terrorism against the Zimbabwean people to break their will to resist in their own land.The MDC-T is the product of the racist rhodie colonial imperialist sponsored construct created and employed to reverse the gains of the Zimbabwean people since independence.While Biti, the recently chosen regime change agent in chief is busy scheming to oust the right honourable Morgan Tsvangarai,the quintessential puppet as we speak,we await the unfolding of their upcoming imperialist sponsored political manifesto that they will place before the Zimbabwean people as their main platform in anticipation of the upcoming election.They are caught between a rock and a hard place to reconcile the interest of the racist rhodies and their handlers and the legitimate aspiration and hope of the Zimbabwean people.They are trapped by the committments made to the enemies of the people because they cannot throw their sponsors under the bus and defend the national interest of the Zimbabwean people at the same time.That would mean their funding will dry up and support withdrawn leaving the the treasonous party to die a natural death.The choice is clear and unambiguous.This party is a serial lying party.They have lied to each other,they have lied to the nation and their supporters and they continue to lie to Zuma and other leaders in the region.They are not equipped to lead the brave and exceptional people of Zimbabwe into the future.
@Observer – spouting off about expired nationalist tosh as if ZanuPF owns the country you idiot. Here’s what the Indian Ambassador Ashok Venkatesan told the USA Ambassador in Harare: – Venkatesan described Mugabe and the dominant Shona of Zimbabwe as transplants to this land, like the jacaranda tree, an import from South America that has become pervasive – similar to kudzu and armadillos in the southern United States. They have no real traditional cultural roots. He also said that the people here, like the tree, are extremely quiescent and undemanding. He said he wonders if Mugabe ever gives any consideration to his legacy, and whether or not he gives any consideration to his legacy, and whether or not he wants what is best for the country. But, he added, the lack of cultural roots causes some irrational behaviour; with many in ZANU-PF saying that they are the bright jewels of the region and should be respected for it – “the most beautiful bride at the wedding,” apparently unaware of how outsiders view them. Venkatesan noted that Zimbabweans don’t even know the true origins of the ruins at the Great Zimbabwe, which were here when the Shona entered from East Africa and settled on land that was essentially vacant. An interesting twist on ZANU-PF’s view of truth; there have been some articles claiming that the ruins were built by Mugabe’s ancestors – with total disregard to the fact that most of the people here know it to be a blatant falsehood. Idiot – Shonas and Matebeles are just as much colonialists as the whites. Who told you it was your land? Where were the borders before 1980?
Where are the MDC-T supporters who contribute to this page?.I dare you to come out and clearly state whether or not you defend these two bitter racist rhodies above who are fervent supporters of the same MDC-T party you are members of.Strange bedfellows.Tsvangarai,Biti and their supporters has a very serious problem on their hands.The funding you receive from certain quarters will come back one day to haunt and ultimately ruin all of you.You deserve it.
Where do you get this stupid idea that I am an MDC-T adherent? For your information I do not see any big difference between MDC-T and Zanupf. There is nothing racist about any of my comments which are true. The Indian Ambassador confirmed what I have said. And Zanu did not libearte anyone – Zanu was voted into power by the ordinary folk in 1980, the same ordinary folk who has previously voted Muzorewa into power in 1979. How can Zanu claim to have liberated the country when there was already a black prime minister Muzorewa? Which police stations near the border did Zanu storm before the Lancaster House Conference? Not even one.
@Obsever – just because a person tells the truth doesn’t automatically make them an MDC-T adherent. Do you think the Indian Ambassador Ashok Venkatesan is an MDC-T adherent because he said “the Shonas are transplants to Zimbabwe”? Everyone knows the Khoisan are the original inhabitants of this land. The Zimbabwe Ruins was build by Arabs using black slaves – that is typical Arab architecture.
@52 sorry my boy, you are further from the truth. also international best practices, veterans are honoured in every aspect. even USA honours those that fought in the Gulf war, Vietnam, Afghanistan, world war etc although for their wars were and for recolonisation our war is the one that got us these rights we claim today and yes ZAnu (pf) and Zapu (pf) liberated this country and that a debate you will never win. Muzorewa eheh! wazorasika manje. the honour refered to is not to ex-zanla forces only but also to ex-zipra forces and not pfumo revanhu vakwa Muzorewa, kwete.
@Prosper – Who was Muzorewa? When did he become prime minister? When did Smith leave office of prime minister? To the best of my own personal experience Muzorewa was the first black prime minister in May 1979. Muzorewa was black and leader of his UANC. Muzorewa was Prime minister before the Lancaster House Conference. There’s nothing to debate here. Zanu was voted into power by the same voters who voted Muzorewa into power. This is a FALSE CLAIM BY ZANU THAT THEY LIBERATED THE COUNTRY. If people are stupid and docile then they can carry on and honour and praise so-called war veterans when it was them who voted them into power in 1980. The reason why Muzorewa lost was because of his party jingles on radio and TV similar to present ZanuPF’s jingles – people got fed up with this triumphalism by Muzorewa and decided to punish him and chose “something exotic” like Zanu [based in Mozambique] which they now regret. You must have witnessed how Libya’s NTC stormed town after town on all-teerain Toyota truck with heavy machine-guns – that was liberation not Zanu’s small gangs on hit-and-run incursions on foot, hungry with no means of communication, at times hungry, sleepless – they were incapable of defeating the Rhodesians. That is a lie to say the liberated Zimbabwe.
@ Observer and sender52, I wonder where you get all this time to write the hogwash in your comments above
@hazard – the politics of Zimbabwe is hogwash not the people who write about the hogwash you stupid cretin.
cde Observer you are the wost moron ,,,,,,of this earth…..@sender52 unorwara nepfungwa zimbabwe will never ever ruled by Rhodesian sympathize
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